Episode 266
Exploring the Evolution of Musical Tastes
This podcast episode delves into the intricate dynamics of musical skill development and the subjective perceptions of talent. We explore the notion that while some individuals possess innate abilities that propel them toward excellence, others may struggle to reach comparable heights despite their fervent dedication and effort. A salient point of discussion centers around the impact of feedback, as we emphasize the necessity of external evaluations in fostering growth and improvement. We also reflect on the occasionally disheartening phenomenon where individuals remain oblivious to their limitations, presenting a challenge not only for themselves but also for those who interact with them. Ultimately, we advocate for a balanced approach to self-assessment, encouraging listeners to strive for incremental progress in their musical pursuits.
Takeaways:
- The podcast discusses the evolution of musical tastes and trends, particularly focusing on the rise of kombucha and its cultural significance in recent years.
- Both speakers express their thoughts on the impact of virtual interactions on personal connections, emphasizing the value of in-person communication.
- The conversation reflects on the importance of feedback in artistic pursuits, highlighting how constructive criticism can foster growth and improvement.
- A significant theme emerges regarding the nature of talent versus hard work, as the speakers contemplate the balance between innate ability and dedicated practice in achieving mastery.
- The episode emphasizes the necessity of continuous self-assessment and the willingness to adapt based on external feedback and personal aspirations.
- Lastly, the speakers illuminate the idea that engaging with diverse music genres can enhance creativity, suggesting an openness to exploring various musical influences.
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Transcript
From classics to curiosity and where melodies meet me welcome.
Speaker A:No, that'd be crazy.
Speaker B:I'm not a man of the.
Speaker B:I am a man of the booch.
Speaker B:But I don't drink it every day.
Speaker B:Probably like once a week or so.
Speaker B:Unless you need it.
Speaker B:You know, sometimes you need a little extra stomach comfort.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Butch is.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's blown up actually.
Speaker B:It has been long peak though.
Speaker A:I feel like it's like prime.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like two, three.
Speaker A:Two years ago.
Speaker A:Three years ago.
Speaker B:Everyone's kind of used to it.
Speaker B:So it's just one of those.
Speaker A:No, it's normal now.
Speaker B:Like a fad.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:A lot of companies started though.
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Selling fermented.
Speaker B:Whatever is in here.
Speaker B:Fermented mess with ginger cane sugar.
Speaker A:Have you ever seen the like.
Speaker A:What's it called?
Speaker A:The mother.
Speaker A:Is it called the mother or am I thinking of.
Speaker B:You're thinking acv.
Speaker B:Apple cider.
Speaker B:Oh, I thought you're talking apple cider vinegar.
Speaker B:With mother.
Speaker A:They make.
Speaker A:They need something like a starter to make it.
Speaker B:Oh, I don't know what it's called.
Speaker B:It's like a nasty.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Little alien slob of like playing with slime.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But not slimy looking.
Speaker B:It looks weirder.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But it feels good.
Speaker A:Makes you look good.
Speaker B:Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker B:Speaking of look good.
Speaker B:You know, it's weird to go back because we did the last one in person.
Speaker B:Our little test run.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And now we're back in the virtual worlds and it's kind of like it's not the same man.
Speaker A:It really is.
Speaker B:Cannot connect the same.
Speaker B:Can't smell a man and sense a man's.
Speaker B:You know, finish your sentences by your.
Speaker B:Your head movements and your hand movement.
Speaker B:I don't see your hands actually.
Speaker B:Weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's okay though.
Speaker B:But here in real life we can't become cartoons.
Speaker B:And here we can become whenever we want, so.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:And actually now that you mentioned it, I think we'll take this offline.
Speaker A:Of course there is a way that we might be able to do live recordings and have the.
Speaker B:Oh, like a secondary AI.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Actually has some cool ideas for that I want to test to see if it works.
Speaker B:If there's two of us on one screen, like on one camera.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like if you're sitting beside me right now, if that would work.
Speaker B:That would be neat.
Speaker B:That'd be really neat.
Speaker B:And then that opens up some other ideas like doing some things.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Some music related things.
Speaker B:I'm gonna try that too.
Speaker B:I'm gonna grab a Bass and see if I could take myself to that realm.
Speaker B:That'd be neat.
Speaker B:That'd be neat.
Speaker B:Some covers in the anime could.
Speaker B:I could cover some of the Japanese pop that these young folks are going crazy over.
Speaker B:Could be a star.
Speaker B:K pop.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:People love K pop.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I could start covering some of that.
Speaker B:Actually, my bass student, this one guy, he's.
Speaker B:He loves that stuff.
Speaker B:So he's taken me down a journey of enlightenment, or at least awareness, I should say, of this K pop world.
Speaker B:Keeps pulling up these songs and they're kind of groovy.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:I don't know what they're saying.
Speaker B:I don't think most people do.
Speaker B:But it feels good.
Speaker B:And music is sometimes just to feel good.
Speaker B:It's just a feel.
Speaker B:You don't have to understand the words.
Speaker B:They're transferred by the.
Speaker B:The notes, the harmonies, the rhythms, so.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker A:There's a couple songs.
Speaker A:I have no idea.
Speaker A:This one, lady Maritia, she's from Portugal, I believe.
Speaker A:And some African songs.
Speaker A:I don't know what they're saying, but it's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, so you can just get lost in.
Speaker B:I don't know why that name a melody gave me like a thing.
Speaker B:Is she like a big time?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:She's got a powerful voice too.
Speaker A:Beautiful.
Speaker A:So beautiful.
Speaker B:I guess she's global.
Speaker B:If you're a fan or on the way to being becoming.
Speaker A:I feel like on the.
Speaker A:Across the pond, they.
Speaker A:They know her much more well than.
Speaker B:I wonder if we could catch her.
Speaker B:Maybe I could make that a surprise.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:That would be.
Speaker A:I don't know if you could.
Speaker A:Celine Dion in Portugal.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Don't challenge me.
Speaker B:I'd have to do it.
Speaker B:I'd have to tell you someone else is coming on.
Speaker B:But I'd be like, make sure you come in.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:He's a higher up.
Speaker B:But make.
Speaker B:Make sure you look nice and you're fresh.
Speaker B:And then it would be faint.
Speaker A:I would fade.
Speaker B:Mauritiya.
Speaker B:Oh, that's beautiful.
Speaker A:Voice change.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:But it is interesting though, the amount of like stars in other countries that could come here and we wouldn't even know them.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:True.
Speaker B:Like, they're mega stars back home.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, if you look at Scotiabank Arena's lineup, sometimes you see stars.
Speaker A:You're like, this guy fills up a Scotiabank, Right?
Speaker A:I've never even heard of him.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker A:You know, there's stars all over the world.
Speaker A:Not just here, but sometimes.
Speaker A:Shelter 5 and heard of you.
Speaker A:You don't exist.
Speaker B:You're nobody.
Speaker A:You can't be.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You can't be that popular.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:And that goes for everything.
Speaker B:Music, business.
Speaker B:Business is, you know, because you have like your A list or celebrities on the screen and behind the microphone, all that.
Speaker B:But then when it comes to business, it's a whole nother.
Speaker B:And wealth in general.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's like a whole another.
Speaker B:Some of those people don't want to be seen and somehow escape the spotlight.
Speaker B:But, yeah, it's kind of cool.
Speaker B:Kind of cool.
Speaker A:It really is.
Speaker A:Speaking of spotlight, who.
Speaker A:Who's right now?
Speaker A:Is there anybody in your spotlight in terms of, like, either just a musician or.
Speaker A:Sorry, I got a little too excited.
Speaker B:Very excited.
Speaker A:Or an artist that you've been listening lately?
Speaker A:Canadian.
Speaker A:Non Canadian.
Speaker B:Dang.
Speaker B:Oh, that's a tricky one.
Speaker B:Because I haven't been on any individual or any specific group.
Speaker B:I've more been listening to, like, just playlists.
Speaker B:I've been just trying to see what's, you know, like I'll just put on a random playlist and listen.
Speaker B:And I spend more time not listening to music than anything, to be honest.
Speaker B:I've been more listening to podcasts and audio books.
Speaker A:It's fascinating.
Speaker A:Musician that barely listens to music.
Speaker B:I know it's almost shameful to say it, but sometimes you want to take a break.
Speaker B:You just want to let ideas, you know, without the influence of so many things, especially if you're listening to a lot of genre, I see it two ways.
Speaker B:You could be listening to a lot of different genres, and the influence is great when you're in that creative mode or, you know, taking it in.
Speaker B:But then it could be overwhelming, too.
Speaker B:But on the other side, if you're only listening to one genre, you could get stuck in that.
Speaker B:That vein, you know, like that one track mind.
Speaker B:So I guess the balance.
Speaker B:And sometimes it's just not really music.
Speaker B:I'll put on music as, like a backdrop.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Working in the home office.
Speaker B:It's a little quiet here, so I'll put on something.
Speaker B:Feels like there's some extra life.
Speaker B:Just, you know, get you going.
Speaker B:Office, chill vibe.
Speaker B:Lo Fi, that stuff.
Speaker B:Afro House.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Shout out to my boy Darren.
Speaker B:He got me on that stuff.
Speaker A:Basa, basa.
Speaker A:Jazz, Bosa jazz.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All those playlists.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It just feels like it's like a coffee house vibe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just kind of feel like, you know, keep that momentum going.
Speaker B:So, yeah, that's where I've been at.
Speaker B:My workouts are fueled by podcasts and more.
Speaker B:So lately is Audiobooks.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I guess I flopped on your question, but gave you a long answer regardless.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I.
Speaker A:I'm podcast fashion.
Speaker A:People in music that don't really listen to too much music.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It just depends, I guess.
Speaker B:It's a season.
Speaker B:What about you?
Speaker B:Do you have like an artist other than, let's say Maritza, like you said?
Speaker A:Oh, she's like, I'm off that.
Speaker A:Yo.
Speaker A:I'm off that.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:That was just like.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:She's.
Speaker A:She's great.
Speaker A:I don't want to say it's been a while since I've actually listened to her there.
Speaker A:I've been listening to a lot of gentleman named Michael Kiwanuka.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And he's a, I believe, African that lives in the uk.
Speaker A:But he's.
Speaker A:He's someone that I've really been fascinated with over the last, like, year really.
Speaker A:And he keeps on putting out tremendous music.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker B:What genre?
Speaker A:I don't know what you would classify him.
Speaker A:Maybe like R B soul meets.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Like it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:I don't even know what Apple music would like, put him as.
Speaker A:As an artist.
Speaker A:Yeah, they put him as R B soul.
Speaker A:So I guess that would be how I categorize him.
Speaker A:But the composition of like a lot of his songs is what really like, gets me.
Speaker A:I think he's the way they compose music.
Speaker B:Give a listen.
Speaker A:Next level.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:If you get a chance.
Speaker A:Like Cold Little Heart.
Speaker A:The intro to that.
Speaker A:Just to build up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The build up to rule the world.
Speaker B:Just dang.
Speaker B:I want to listen.
Speaker A:Great lyrics, great songs.
Speaker A:And he's got at least 15, like five out of five songs to me.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:That to me puts you in a level of.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Top tier musicianship to me.
Speaker A:And I think.
Speaker A:I think I'm actually.
Speaker A:He's coming to Toronto, so we're gonna try and go to his concert in October.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker A:But he's probably the one guy right now that I've really been just been on, if that's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay to say.
Speaker A:Paula's.
Speaker A:Just in case.
Speaker B:I got you.
Speaker B:Just in case.
Speaker B:Just in case.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, no, I got you.
Speaker B:So is he a little more on the like Afro side or the UK side or is it just way more uk?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Folk.
Speaker A:R B ish.
Speaker B:On the grind.
Speaker A:That makes sense.
Speaker B:Not on the grime.
Speaker A:No grime.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Those are other items.
Speaker B:Think you had a phase of that too.
Speaker A:I still have it.
Speaker A:How dare you shout out to see Dave Stormzy Storms.
Speaker A:I ride for UK Rap.
Speaker A:I don't know why?
Speaker A:But I like their bop.
Speaker A:A lot of North Americans hate it.
Speaker A:It's actually something I've been.
Speaker B:It's a different taste, for sure.
Speaker A:Not so vocal about because, yeah, some people make fun of me hard when I tell them I'm a big Stormzy.
Speaker A:Or Dave.
Speaker B:We used to be real ignorant, though, because there was the UK stuff.
Speaker B:There was like the French rap.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And then obviously other countries that we just.
Speaker B:When you hear it first, it just is like so different.
Speaker B:Like, there's no rhymes.
Speaker B:So I guess UK stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah, but when you go to other languages and you're like, I don't.
Speaker B:I don't even hear the line.
Speaker B:The rhymes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't understand the ends of phrases and where things start.
Speaker B:I guess it's a different approach altogether, but super weird to me still.
Speaker A:Yes, it is.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:I think it's mainly because we don't know the language.
Speaker B:Ignorance is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I also think, like, translation matters because words don't line up the same way in some languages, especially French.
Speaker A:Like, it's backwards, if that makes sense.
Speaker A:Like, you wouldn't.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:That's black.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So then it just gets.
Speaker B:The translation will get all, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Hit or miss.
Speaker A:It's hit or miss for me.
Speaker A:But there.
Speaker A:Shout out to our French rappers.
Speaker A:Yeah, some good German rap.
Speaker A:Actually, it was funny German rap.
Speaker A:My uncle was listening to German rap.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:He doesn't even speak German.
Speaker B:Is he a fan or is it just one of those random things?
Speaker A:Who knows?
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker A:It's just random.
Speaker A:So he's a random type of guy.
Speaker A:Shout out to.
Speaker B:Fair enough.
Speaker B:You know, I.
Speaker B:I don't knock him.
Speaker B:It takes a special person to be able to live comfortably as whoever you are.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Not trying to conform to norms and.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker B:I'm me.
Speaker B:So German.
Speaker B:Wrap it up, man.
Speaker B:I mean, as long as you're not trying to rap along.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Ein Find Deutsch.
Speaker A:That's what he said.
Speaker B:It actually would be hilarious if he, like, walked into a room, he didn't know you were coming or you're there, and he.
Speaker B:You hear him rapping along in a language he doesn't speak.
Speaker A:I feel like that's how it started was he was on his phone bopping, and he's like.
Speaker A:I'm like, what did you just say?
Speaker A:That was in English.
Speaker A:I don't think it was, but he was definitely funny.
Speaker A:Rapping in a language I'd never heard and was like, are you speaking English?
Speaker A:It's like, no, that is a German guy.
Speaker A:And I was like, you're listening to German.
Speaker B:We should ask Johari about that since she's.
Speaker B:She's over there.
Speaker B:It'd be cool.
Speaker B:Yeah, we should.
Speaker B:I'm gonna pick her brain on what's big over there.
Speaker B:You must have some festivals.
Speaker B:You know, I was like, I'm laughing because I was.
Speaker B:The other day, I was at the gym in the morning, and I feel like all my stories start like, that I'm a loser.
Speaker B:I was trying.
Speaker B:I was gonna make up where I was just to not mention it.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker A:Oh, you don't want to say at the gym, bro.
Speaker B:No, I don't.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:It's definitely.
Speaker B:It's definitely a different thing than it used to be, But I was walking up the stairs.
Speaker B:Like, I just.
Speaker B:Just walked in.
Speaker B:I was going upstairs.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Second level.
Speaker B:And there's a lady stretching her.
Speaker B:I don't even know what she was doing on the stairs.
Speaker B:Black lady.
Speaker B:But I had to make a comment because, you know when you have your headphones on, you think you're like, just, like, whisper singing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:She was kind of belting, so I was like, hey, Cece Winans.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:And she's like, pardon?
Speaker B:I was like, you're singing, Cece.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:And she's like, oh, thanks.
Speaker B:Yeah, I gotta start my day this way.
Speaker B:But she was belting, like, when I turned the corner, I was like, what is.
Speaker A:At least.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And even.
Speaker B:I mean, if you're a singer, you're a singer, but if you're not a singer, I'm sure maybe if she had.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:If it wasn't the direct beating of the music in her ears, it might have been slightly better, but.
Speaker B:So bad.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker B:That's so bad.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:Or I'll see guys walking around rapping to themselves.
Speaker A:Those.
Speaker B:That's hilarious to watch.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That is funny.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it is magical how music can bring that out of people, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's the feeling again, it's not about sounding good.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:You don't even.
Speaker B:Do people know when they don't sound good?
Speaker B:Like, do you sound.
Speaker B:Do they sound good to themselves?
Speaker B:Well, I guess.
Speaker B:Yeah, that would.
Speaker B:It's just thinking American Idol and all the Idols, and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Some people are delusional.
Speaker A:Some people know when they don't sound good.
Speaker A:Like, I can hear myself and go, that's awful.
Speaker A:Whereas I'm sure there's other people that I know there's other people because they played Music for me.
Speaker A:And I'm like, yeah, Was that your best.
Speaker B:Oh, God, they're so.
Speaker A:Keep.
Speaker A:Keep going, buddy.
Speaker B:It's one of those things you say, keep going.
Speaker B:You see me trying to fight this.
Speaker B:The spirit of truth that came over.
Speaker B:I got so uncomfortable.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's the exposation.
Speaker A:It's tough.
Speaker B:It is what it is.
Speaker B:We had a podcast.
Speaker B:I have a friend.
Speaker B:We have a friend of a friend.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And she is.
Speaker B:She's in charge of a group of singers that maybe aren't the cream in the crop.
Speaker B:That's okay.
Speaker B:They're work in progress.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she has them sending voice notes.
Speaker B:You could give them, you know, send them their parts.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Their harmonies.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So they can kind of mimic what you're doing and send it back to you.
Speaker B:So you could kind of get a gauge of where they are in their understanding.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So she's getting things.
Speaker B:So she's getting these voice notes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I had been walking by one time and overheard a couple.
Speaker B:It's just getting wild.
Speaker B:So imagine this.
Speaker B:There's a song playing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And this is difficult.
Speaker B:I want to know, from.
Speaker B:To all my real serious musicians out there, there's a song playing, and somebody's singing in another key.
Speaker B:Completely in not a harmony.
Speaker B:It's a form of the melody, but just in another key.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And what will blow your mind?
Speaker B:I don't know if anyone else has this talent, but I was trying to find the key that the person was singing in because I took out my phone on the piano app, and I was so distracted, I couldn't tell.
Speaker B:And I was like, that would actually be a good game.
Speaker B:Play music.
Speaker B:Let someone sing in another key and find the key that they're in.
Speaker B:It's a really difficult thing to do because you're hearing multiple things at once.
Speaker A:Right, Right.
Speaker B:And it's changing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It was really an experience.
Speaker B:But that would be.
Speaker A:But, like, the person singing, they don't know they're.
Speaker B:This is what I'm saying.
Speaker B:This is the whole thing.
Speaker B:Like, I'm like, you have to.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:In the moment, maybe you don't know.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:But you're about to sense you.
Speaker B:You play it back.
Speaker B:You have to play it back and be like, no, let me redo it.
Speaker B:And I don't even know if this is a redo or a third or fourth or what.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:How many times at that point?
Speaker B:How do you not hear it?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So then I'm like, so what if someone else sent that person the same voice note, but it's not Their own voice, Would they hear it in someone else's voice?
Speaker A:Good question.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm curious.
Speaker A:Like, exactly.
Speaker A:If someone else was singing it and they sent it to that person, would they identify.
Speaker B:Like, if you sent back exactly what they sung.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Would they identify my.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:My tone or.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Pitch being off.
Speaker B:And then you could double up and be like, we're singing the same.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wow, that's fascinating.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I know it sounds stupid and I made it funny, but it actually has been blowing my mind.
Speaker B:Not everybody's that, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Off center.
Speaker B:I don't want to say good or bad because It's.
Speaker B: We're in: Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:Not everyone's, you know, that off track.
Speaker B:But it is interesting to hear that there are a lot of people who confidently believe in themselves and they're.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Talent or lack of.
Speaker B:And it's just not there.
Speaker B:It's not even close.
Speaker B:It's like, it makes me.
Speaker B:It makes you like there was a mark.
Speaker B:There was a standard for all of our lives.
Speaker B:And if someone hit a switch and was like, let me do some dramatic effect.
Speaker B:And like, the standard's gone now.
Speaker B:It's so crazy though.
Speaker B:I wonder these things.
Speaker B:It's like we could not.
Speaker B:God bless you.
Speaker B:You think you're.
Speaker B:We're all a work in progress.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And depends who you compare yourself to or, you know, what your future self, goals, whatever, are.
Speaker B:But how do we.
Speaker B:How did the gap shrink so small from like.
Speaker B:It's like blurred reality almost.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:If you're not good at a thing.
Speaker B:I thought we grew up knowing we have to keep practicing.
Speaker B:Keep hitting the rim when I'm shooting the ball.
Speaker B:I gotta figure it out and try something different and get my reps in.
Speaker B:But now it's like, I don't really score.
Speaker B:But yeah, I'm awesome.
Speaker A:Really.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:I don't need to practice.
Speaker B:I'm great.
Speaker A:It's a delusion.
Speaker A:I don't understand where it came from.
Speaker A:And it's dark.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:Because you don't want to be the guy to be.
Speaker B:Yes, I do.
Speaker B:No, I know.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:It's weird.
Speaker A:Versus their whole world.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:They might believe they're good.
Speaker A:And you telling them they're not.
Speaker A:They're like, wait, is.
Speaker A:Is this real life?
Speaker A:Then?
Speaker A:Is Santa Claus.
Speaker B:What is real?
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:But I know we're joking around, but it's actually a serious thing.
Speaker B:And I could tell you don't have the answers that I've been wondering.
Speaker B:Because you're right.
Speaker B:You tell.
Speaker B:You want to, like, just be real.
Speaker B:You want to raise the standard.
Speaker B:You want to reset the bar to back where it should be in our minds and our opinions.
Speaker B:But then.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You're crushing someone's hopes and dreams.
Speaker B:But then you want to set up a path to, like, here's where you are, here's where we want you to be.
Speaker B:And people will be grossly offended by that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is crazy.
Speaker B:What just happened there?
Speaker B:That's funny.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:I know you noticed because it was.
Speaker A:I couldn't see myself for the longest time.
Speaker A:I was just staring at you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was just staring at you, and I was like, this makes it easy to talk.
Speaker B:And all of a sudden I get distracted by my own hands.
Speaker B:You're muting.
Speaker B:You're muted.
Speaker A:Oh, who's this handsome devil?
Speaker B:Who's that?
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Holy.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All right, let's get this.
Speaker B:I'd rather just put it back.
Speaker B:It actually felt more like.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like an in person thing.
Speaker B:It was like, as close as we could get, but yeah.
Speaker B:That's something that's been blowing my mind lately, and I'm sure it could stretch across multiple things.
Speaker B:Well, no.
Speaker B:Could it?
Speaker B:Like, yes, actually, because I have a friend.
Speaker B:I was going to say sports.
Speaker B:Maybe not, but I have a friend who's coaching, and he's been telling me his qualms with the same, like, entitlement, lack of motivation, you know, kids thinking they're better, far better than they are having hoop dreams.
Speaker B:We had hoop dreams, but we were putting in the work in a lot of ways.
Speaker B:Like hours and hours and hours studying, you know, traveling across the city, playing wherever we could.
Speaker B:Like, it was just a thing.
Speaker B:It was a way of life.
Speaker B:There was no.
Speaker B:There was never laziness.
Speaker B:There was never, like, I don't want to.
Speaker B:It was like, this is what we do.
Speaker B:This is who we are.
Speaker A:But at the same time, we have those.
Speaker A:Because I.
Speaker A:Oh, there's one guy specifically.
Speaker B:I feel bad you should say his.
Speaker A:Name, but there's people that will put the work in that.
Speaker A:You know, you could do twice as much work and you're never going to get where you want to be.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's another thing, too.
Speaker B:That's another thing, too.
Speaker B:And again, there's levels.
Speaker B:So, I mean, if you're on the track to be a NBA star and you're watching, you know.
Speaker B:No, but if you're actually on the track.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like if you're at that high level and you're watching, you know, Joe fumble across, thinking that he has a shot too, then, yeah, it's different.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because I guess you see things a certain way from the level that you're at.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'd rather someone be delusional to me, put in the work.
Speaker B:Because you can still prove someone wrong.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:Like, aside from some obvious things that make it almost impossible to do certain, you know, you know, size or whatever odds are against you.
Speaker B:But I think you could still put in the work and do something.
Speaker B:Prove people wrong.
Speaker A:That's interesting that you feel that.
Speaker A:I thought you would feel the opposite.
Speaker A:I feel there's some people that.
Speaker A:Brother, you're never going to make the NBA.
Speaker B:Well, maybe that's a very.
Speaker B:Because that's a small, small group of, you know.
Speaker A:Or singer.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Garbage.
Speaker B:But there's a story I heard.
Speaker B:What book was this?
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:Talent Code, maybe.
Speaker B:Anyway, there's a story about a guy.
Speaker B:I'll have to get his name on later.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:He's 22 years old.
Speaker B:He couldn't really sing.
Speaker B:They say he locked himself basically in his house for years and he just sang.
Speaker B:And his neighbors thought he was going crazy just listening to old records.
Speaker B:I think it was like Otis Redding and a couple others, but just like mimicking their voices.
Speaker B:Maybe he had a little bit of talent before, who knows?
Speaker B:But he wasn't known as a singer.
Speaker B:His family and friends didn't know him to be that.
Speaker B:And he just spent hours and hours and hours singing these records and came out, ended up selling.
Speaker B:I can't remember who it was, but ended up selling a lot of records.
Speaker A:So I need to know the name of this.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm going to find the name.
Speaker B:I'm going to find the name.
Speaker B:You have to remind me.
Speaker B:Going to talk about it and I'll drop it in the show notes.
Speaker B:But yeah, we'll have to follow up on that.
Speaker B:So hopefully we remember you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyway, I do believe it's possible to an extent.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Because we all start off.
Speaker B:Most of us start off bad at a thing, even if you're good.
Speaker B:Here's another example.
Speaker B:It's from talent code for sure.
Speaker B:There's three sisters.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:I'm terrible with names.
Speaker B:These stories need to be connected to names.
Speaker B:Three sisters.
Speaker B:They all ended up being famous writers.
Speaker B:Trying to remember.
Speaker B:It'll come back to me.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So they all.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And so they studied their work After a lot of people were like, yeah, they're all born natural writers.
Speaker B:But then they went back to when they were like their earliest writings when they were kids.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And they said it was like loaded with grammatical errors.
Speaker B:You could see where they're clearly copying other books that were written at the time.
Speaker B:You know, just their version of it, but the same story, nothing special.
Speaker B:But then as they got older, you can see like their works on this one for all three of them.
Speaker B:You can see their works over the years slightly improving, grammatical errors were less.
Speaker B:And all of a sudden they're writing books that are, you know, bestsellers, all three of them.
Speaker B:And people said they had a natural talent for writing, but when they went back and studied them, it was clearly far from that.
Speaker B:But they, they wrote like they were writing a crazy number, like 16 books each a month or something for like over years.
Speaker B:And they're.
Speaker B:Some of their books were as much as like 80 pages from when they were younger.
Speaker B:So they're reps.
Speaker B:So I don't know when I hear stories like that.
Speaker B:I do believe that you could develop skill.
Speaker A:I feel that you are.
Speaker A:I'm still curious as to who that singer was, but let me check.
Speaker A:I believe that either you got like you have to have something.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:That can be developed, but there's some people that don't have any of it.
Speaker A:I still think that it can be developed specifically with music.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And, and, and sports, I guess.
Speaker A:Like I feel like there's.
Speaker A:There is room for people that aren't that talented to develop skill.
Speaker A:But with singing specifically, I feel like you could get to only a certain level with all your hard work.
Speaker A:Like I just feel like there's some people that have it and then they, they, they have the talent.
Speaker A:The God given talent.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And they develop that skill for sure.
Speaker A:But I feel like there's some people that.
Speaker A:That's not their God given talent and they still can't develop something and they get to a certain height.
Speaker A:But to me they'll never be like, I don't know, top tier or even really good.
Speaker A:They'll be good.
Speaker A:And I think you can teach anyone to be okay or good at singing, but in terms of just like being excellent, I don't.
Speaker B:You don't see?
Speaker A:I don't believe it.
Speaker B:Huh.
Speaker B:That's interesting.
Speaker A:With all the tricks and all the studio Hollywood games, I, I can see how that narrative can be painted that this guy just kind of, you know, went, locked himself in the basement, deemed himself crazy and became a.
Speaker B:It was so long ago though.
Speaker B:I Believe it was way before.
Speaker B:I'm getting close.
Speaker A:You say Elvis, I'm gonna.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Well, the book doesn't name.
Speaker B:It uses the case of Soviet folk singer Spartac Fork.
Speaker A:Fork.
Speaker A:My guy.
Speaker B:Spartacus, who practiced by mimicking songs on records and eventually had his first album sell nearly half million copies after eight years of dedicated practice.
Speaker A:Have you heard Spoltek?
Speaker B:I haven't, but let's.
Speaker B:Let's make that homework.
Speaker B:Let's check it out.
Speaker A:If he's garbage, donate to your phone.
Speaker A:My God.
Speaker A:Because I'm going to.
Speaker B:It's fair enough.
Speaker B:I didn't write the book.
Speaker B:I didn't study him.
Speaker B:While I'm at it, you know what?
Speaker B:Going to find the name of the sisters as well.
Speaker A:So funny.
Speaker B:That is hilarious.
Speaker A:I'll make such an obscure reference, though.
Speaker A:It's like, yeah, what if we don't even find any of this gentleman's work?
Speaker A:It's just like, sometimes antidotes in books are, like, questionable.
Speaker B:It's true.
Speaker B:The Bronte sisters are the name of the three sisters who became the.
Speaker A:Are they Canadian?
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:So look them up.
Speaker B:There's a reference.
Speaker B:You're fact checking there.
Speaker B:Look up Spartac Oak singer.
Speaker B:And I didn't write the book again.
Speaker B:Great book, though.
Speaker B:If you.
Speaker B:If you like what you Google search, then let us know.
Speaker B:That's funny.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We went down a whole thing.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I feel a little better.
Speaker B:I feel like there's more to get out.
Speaker B:But on the skill thing.
Speaker B:I don't know, man.
Speaker B:Maybe it's.
Speaker B:I just feel like there are.
Speaker B:And maybe it depends on when you start and how far you want to go.
Speaker B:So maybe if you want to become, you know, the best of the best.
Speaker B:How many players in the NBA for under 500.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So out of the.
Speaker B:Out of the full, you know, population of kids who are trying to make it.
Speaker B:Small percentage.
Speaker B:Very, like, way under 1%, I'm assuming.
Speaker B:Way under.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:So I think if that's your goal.
Speaker B:You're not.
Speaker A:I'll.
Speaker A:I'll save for another.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But you can develop the skill to be a fine player who goes on to play college, university, even overseas.
Speaker B:And maybe I agree.
Speaker A:When it comes to sports.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I agree with even learning an instrument.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's just like music or like acting, for example.
Speaker A:There's weird, like, certain.
Speaker A:Maybe even dancing to a degree.
Speaker A:I feel like the greats.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And like the really good people have that, like that shell, that kernel of greatness, and it gets developed with Talent with skill.
Speaker A:Like, you know, with the proper training.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:But I feel like, yeah, it's different than football, basketball.
Speaker B:Like, some people come out learning an instrument.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I feel like.
Speaker A:And then again, even then, there's outliers that just study a little bit deeper, work a little bit harder, and they're masters.
Speaker A:You hear like B.B.
Speaker A:king or John Mayer.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:You know, someone play a guitar, you're like, oh, you know, no matter how much you practice.
Speaker A:Will I ever get to that?
Speaker A:Maybe you will.
Speaker A:It's possible.
Speaker A:But I think the level of.
Speaker A:Or the barrier to get to that point, I think is easier in other things than like, singing and depends on what it is.
Speaker A:Dancing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I feel just strong in that belief that either.
Speaker B:I guess we need to talk to a dance teacher, maybe even a vocal coach.
Speaker A:Will tell.
Speaker A:Will tell you I can teach anyone how to sing good.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, they talk to Lorraine lost it.
Speaker B:And she was pretty confident that she could do the same.
Speaker A:Anyone.
Speaker B:So maybe to an extent.
Speaker A:To an extent, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I guess it depends on what success is because I guess you can learn all the mechanics.
Speaker A:Singer compared to, like, a gospel singer.
Speaker A:Like, you could probably be a really good folk singer.
Speaker A:But, yeah, no disrespect.
Speaker A:Doesn't to me require that much vocal range and skill.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a different.
Speaker B:It's a different animal.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Completely different.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you could substitute folk with a lot of other genres and just won't compare.
Speaker B:So, I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker B:But that's.
Speaker B:That's actually funny.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I guess at least something to think about for sure.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You definitely want to know where you are.
Speaker B:There's got to be a way to benchmark your progress, but also what other people are doing and others.
Speaker A:Don't be scared to ask others, hey, if you had to rate me 1 to 10, what would you give me?
Speaker A:And I've done it, and I've been shocked.
Speaker A:I feel like people that love me obviously will rank you a little higher.
Speaker A:And people that are trying to be objective, they.
Speaker A:They land around where I feel my skill is.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:It's important.
Speaker A:And I think that more people need to be assessed by others and maybe just hear that.
Speaker A:Not criticism, but just hear their feedback.
Speaker B:Feedback is important.
Speaker A:It's so important.
Speaker B:It's the only way to get better.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To grow.
Speaker A:It might come as a shock, but it's necessary.
Speaker A:Sometimes people have told me I do things that I wasn't even really aware.
Speaker B:That's so true.
Speaker A:And you have to just kind of accept it because their perception is their reality.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's how they see it, and that's how they're perceiving it.
Speaker A:It's on you to change.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe I'm crazy.
Speaker B:No, no, you're absolutely right.
Speaker B:It's on each one of us to make changes, hopefully daily.
Speaker B:Something.
Speaker B:But you have to have something to compare yourself to for sure.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You need that.
Speaker B:And the feedback is very key.
Speaker B:And you don't.
Speaker B:You want feedback from somebody who's in the know or the understanding.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Very helpful.
Speaker B:I mean, it's great to, you know, for your family to be like, you're amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or you saw.
Speaker B:But they don't know.
Speaker B:Maybe they just.
Speaker B:Maybe they don't get it.
Speaker B:There's some.
Speaker B:There's some things that are so specific that, you know, we're watching.
Speaker B:It's like, that doesn't take that much.
Speaker B:And somebody's like, you know, it's not obvious.
Speaker B:Like a sports game where, you know, someone's good by performance and outcome.
Speaker B:There's other.
Speaker B:I'm trying.
Speaker B:I can't even think of a good example.
Speaker B:But sometimes you need somebody who's in the know of that area.
Speaker B:Like, you know, you could be.
Speaker B:I could be going crazy here, breaking down, you know, math theories.
Speaker B:And if you have no idea, you're like, oh, he's a genius.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I think it's a great example.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Because, okay, the average person can watch a boxing match and go, oh, that guy's punching him in the face more.
Speaker A:He's, you know, you watch a Floyd fight.
Speaker A:Most people think Floyd's fights are boring, but to a purist, they're seeing head movement, they're seeing defense on a level that is unmatched.
Speaker A:And that's why the purists will always rank Floyd as the greatest of all time.
Speaker A:Where a lot of people thinks his fights are boring, real boxers are amazed at how little he gets hit.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:He's perfected it.
Speaker A:He's the greatest defensive boxer of all time.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:The little subtle knowledge of distance, knowledge of, you know, what the opponent's gonna throw and how to move your feet.
Speaker A:His footwork is.
Speaker B:And he's doing that without thinking.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:So he's develop enough to, like, be able to do this.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like automation, basically.
Speaker B:He's not.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:That's natural to him.
Speaker B:That takes.
Speaker A:A casual fan will watch that and not really understand that they're watching defense on a godlike level and footwork on a level that is unmatched and it probably never will be.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:I do agree with what you were saying, and I think Floyd's a good example of.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's great that people can't really.
Speaker A:Unless you really, really know boxing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You can't appreciate his greatness.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I guess that's it.
Speaker B:The appreciation of what's really happening.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, well, let's leave people with something, hopefully, that not everybody listening is in that category of maybe find something else to do with your delusion.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I know most of you are not, but it happens.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We have to evaluate ourselves.
Speaker B:We have to understand, you know, we have to break down, first of all, where do we want to go with this thing?
Speaker B:Because you don't spend too much time on it if it's not even a part of the direction that you want to take.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And also look at.
Speaker B:Understand the feedback if you can't hear that you're doing something.
Speaker B:If you can't see that you're doing something wrong, maybe ask questions if you're not sure.
Speaker B:I feel like you nailed it, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, you can't be.
Speaker B:You can't be, you know, stinking up the spot and think that you're nailing it.
Speaker B:You can't be.
Speaker B:If you are.
Speaker B:I'm gonna.
Speaker B:I'm gonna drop this microphone now because I'm trying to picture.
Speaker B:I'm going back to the voice notes because that's the way we started it, and I'm just trying to picture sending something that's so horrific and thinking I'm.
Speaker A:On track, but they clearly did.
Speaker A:Otherwise they would have done a retake then.
Speaker B:I don't understand life then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And that's where I'm stuck at.
Speaker A:It's like, you sent this.
Speaker A:This was the best take you could possibly send me, and you believed that I was going to enjoy this.
Speaker A:There's no way.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:If that's the case, we live in two separate worlds.
Speaker B:Maybe we live in multiple worlds then, because multiverse.
Speaker A:We're in the multiverse.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:No, it's really hard to understand.
Speaker B:All right, well, in that case, I don't.
Speaker B:I don't have.
Speaker B:I don't have help.
Speaker A:I think just the realization is help.
Speaker A:And then what they do from there, we can wash our hands, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess the only help is somebody needs to just be honest.
Speaker B:And maybe not just by saying you're terrible, but saying this definitely is not it.
Speaker B:And here are some things here.
Speaker B:Here's a number of someone you can call to maybe help you out a little.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:YouTube.
Speaker B:Keep listening back.
Speaker B:Record yourself.
Speaker B:Listen back, compare it.
Speaker B:Is that the way that CC Winan sounded when she sang it?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:You're not going to sound like her, but is it anywhere in the direction or is it all the way over there?
Speaker B:I'm gonna leave it at that because.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker B:Can't help you.
Speaker B:But if you are on the right track and you know what you're doing and you.
Speaker B:You're going for it, then just keep going for it.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:Yeah, we have.
Speaker B:We have this moment only, so let's take it and be better in one way or the other.
Speaker A:1% better.
Speaker B:1% better.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Compound interest, baby.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:All right, well, let's go be cartoons.
Speaker A:All right, brother.
Speaker A:Until next time.
Speaker B:Yes, sir.
Speaker B:Always great chatting.
Speaker B:Can't wait to do it in person again.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's exciting.
Speaker B:That far.
Speaker B:There's no excuse for this.
Speaker A:No, we can make it happen.
Speaker B:See the anger.
Speaker B:All right, everybody, thanks for listening.
Speaker B:Thanks for rocking with us.
Speaker A:Stay blessed.
Speaker B:Stay blessed.
Speaker A:Sam.
